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		<title>Failed external Hard Drives!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of weeks ago, my Lacie 320GB porche-designed external HDD decided to &#8216;pack in&#8217;. It&#8217;s death rattle, a faint clicking sound belied its poor condition. Installing the drive into a PC highlighted that all was not well when the PC couldn&#8217;t access it either. I was more concerned today, when my Iomega 500GB MiniMax [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of weeks ago, my Lacie 320GB porche-designed external HDD decided to &#8216;pack in&#8217;. It&#8217;s death rattle, a faint clicking sound belied its poor condition. Installing the drive into a PC highlighted that all was not well when the PC couldn&#8217;t access it either.<br />
I was more concerned today, when my Iomega 500GB MiniMax external drive exhibited the exact same symptoms. That faint clicking &#8216;death rattle&#8217; spelled a looming expense of replacing the unit. Happily, in this case, the clicking noise meant that the was a power problem. Switching to another power supply completely cured the problem. So, it just goes to show how identical symptoms can identify very different problems.</p>
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		<title>Opera, CSS3 and border-radius. Oh dear.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s an oddity. Opera, the underused and almost forgotten power in the browser wars prides itself on its rendering of web standards compliant code. It comes as some surprise then to me, that it is still so underpowered where css3 is concerned. But that&#8217;s by-the-by. As a consequence of this lack of support, I must [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an oddity. Opera, the underused and almost forgotten power in the browser wars prides itself on its rendering of web standards compliant code. It comes as some surprise then to me, that it is still so underpowered where <abbr title="cascading style sheets version 3.0">css3</abbr> is concerned. But that&#8217;s by-the-by. As a consequence of this lack of support, I must check over my designs in Opera after I&#8217;ve employed some CSS3 specific styling.</p>
<p>So, after applying some <strong>border-radius</strong> styling to my navigational hyperlinks, right here on <strong>shubox.net</strong>, and knowing full well that Opera does not yet support the <em>border-radius</em> property, I check out the look to make sure that all&#8217;s well and there are no nasty surprises. But on this occasion there was a remarkable consequence!</p>
<p><a href="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.12.50.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-295" title="View in border-radius with padding in Opera" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.12.50.png" alt="" width="329" height="177" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Opera_before.png"></a>You can see from the above image, that Opera somehow splits the background borders on the contact and services links when going to a new line. This behaviour makes no sense at all and I&#8217;m surprised at Opera.</p>
<p>Luckily, I immediately wondered what would happen if I used another little-used CSS property: <em>inline-block</em>. This effectively creates a self-contained block-level element while allowing it to remain inline within it&#8217;s parent. As you can see from the next image, this did the trick.</p>
<p><a href="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.10.34.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-293" title="Opera browser after inline-block has been applied" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.10.34.png" alt="" width="339" height="187" /></a></p>
<p>You can see that the &#8216;contact&#8217; link is now happily inline and unbroken. Adding inline block meant that the link became too padded &#8211; this is due to the element now occupying it&#8217;s own space and taking it&#8217;s relative size values from the line-height rather than font-size. A little CSS &#8216;fixing&#8217; was needed to stop the links looking bloated. Specifying the line-height for the element and removing most of the existing padding was sufficient to regain its previous elegance.</p>
<p>As a matter of interest, those viewing this article, and indeed this website on a browser that doesn&#8217;t support the CSS3 border-radius standard (Opera, and all versions IE most significantly), here&#8217;s how the rest of us see those links.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.06.13.png"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-291" title="What non IE7/IE8 users see" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Screen-shot-2010-02-20-at-00.06.13.png" alt="" width="346" height="165" /></a></p>
<p>So much prettier don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>Oh, what&#8217;s a poor web designer to do?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I sat in my cosy little office in Bradford, a ‘discussion’ broke out in twittersville regarding the role of a web designer (yeah, that old chestnut.) Mike Kus (web designer at Carsonified, the design house that specialises in running seminars and events that teach web designers how to code) aired his opinion that web [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sat in my cosy little office in Bradford, a ‘discussion’ broke out in twittersville regarding the role of a web designer (yeah, that old chestnut.) Mike Kus (web designer at Carsonified, the design house that specialises in running seminars and events that teach web designers how to code) aired his opinion that web designers should learn to code HTML in order to be a better web designer. His blog post got the usual round of congratulatory pats-on-the-back by the marauding sycophant ‘web groupies’ (as highlighted so eloquently in Brendan Dawes’ diatribe of last week) before the obligatory daggers started flying from those who don’t necessarily agree with him.</p>
<p>Mark Boulton (typography evangelist) responded via twitter by chiming that Web Designers should learn typography and only then can they be worthy of the esteemed title “Web Designer!” Thus disagreeing with Mike.</p>
<p>So this is where I stand. My belief, and one that I’ve held for many a year is that a good web designer should fundamentally know how to &#8216;design&#8217; and should understand the &#8216;web&#8217;, how it works, who uses it and what it’s for. The nature of the web relates most closely to print design, so some knowledge here would be of benefit as does an understanding typography, layout and crucially how the web differs from conventional print. Ideally the Web Designer should be free to design without too much concern about how the design will be converted into an actual website. He (or she of course) does not need to know the code.</p>
<p>Why do I think this? Well, any type of design, whether it’s for the web or not has a brief &#8211; that brief lays out the intended function of the ‘thing’ that is to be designed. So, in designing a website, you must facilitate visually the intended functionality of the website. In a typical website the principle aim is to present information. That information needs to be presented in a way that a.) can be found; and b.) is easily readable. If navigation is needed, it needs to be clear and concise, if not bleedin’ obvious. If a web user needs to be enticed into clicking a button, the designers job is to understand that and to somehow visually entice the user to click that button &#8211; either by using existing methodologies or even inventing new ones. A pure web designer does not, in my opinion need to be aware of any coding practices in order to do this design job. Rather, he needs a solid grounding in the principles of design and an acute awareness of how the web is used and can be used.</p>
<p>When coding a website, the nature of the information, or the &#8216;type&#8217; of data needs to be determined so that it can be coded correctly. Accessibility concerns need to be dealt with using good coding practices. The code needs to be machine readable, the content needs to be discoverable, searchable. Styling needs to be robust, it needs to be coded to accommodate a range of user agents (web browsers to you and me) so that it looks the same. Event coding using javascript needs to degrade gracefully and the site must function fully in case javascript isn&#8217;t present&#8230; these are problems for the front-end developer. In an ideal and purist world the Web Designer doesn&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t have to concern himself with any of this.</p>
<p>I think Mike Kus has been somewhat naive in his blog post and unfortunately, as a ‘celebrity’ (re: <a href=" http://shubox.net/?p=218">previous post</a>) he won’t ever need to be fully aware of this. His adoring public will convince him he’s right. C’est la Vie.</p>
<p>- Of course, I should qualify this entire post by stating that in this day and age, many web designers do indeed code, and do it well. A freelance web designer is unlikely to be fortunate enough to be allowed the luxury of doing nothing but visually mocking up a website, so at least one of Mike&#8217;s &#8217;5 reasons why&#8230;&#8217; is valid.</p>
<p>This blurring of roles has led to something of an identity crisis in the web world, as many designers turn to coding, they can no longer be known as &#8216;designers&#8217; per se. Nor can they be known as web developers because they don&#8217;t do back-end scripting. So you may come across titles like &#8220;front-end web developer&#8221; which is beginning to stick although strictly speaking, that would be the &#8216;developer&#8217; who specialises exclusively in the website&#8217;s mark-up, the HTML/CSS. So it&#8217;s no better a description as web designer. Anyway, that&#8217;s a topic for another post perhaps.</p>
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		<title>Optimising your website is Still important!</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the back of Brendan Dawes recent rant about the undeserved celebrity culture in UK web design, here's an apt example of the problem...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, Brendan Dawes made a short <a href="http://brendandawes.posterous.com/ive-got-to-say-this-the-uk-web-design-scene-i">blog post</a> criticising the boys-club style clique that exists in the UK web design industry. He bemoaned the lowering of standards that’s occurring due to the Mediocre calibre of some of the guest speakers that are continually invited to Web Design events, and the continual very public displays of mutual-congratulation when any of these members launch one of their pedestrian, mediocre and sometimes dysfunctional websites. He made a very good point I thought. In fact, this is something I’d been bemoaning to friends and colleagues for some time, so it was good to see someone with a significant voice in this industry having the balls to speak out.</p>
<p>The responses to his post began fairly sedate, mostly by people who agreed with him  (even some who were arguably those ‘mediocre’ web designers he was talking about) and were glad that he’d written his post. Then some who disagreed but still all was well. Then of course, it soon degenerated into a witch hunt, by the friends of the mediocre web-starlets (who obviously knew who he was talking about) and their shirt-tail grabbing groupies &#8211; who see a befriending of those clique members as a way into the glamourous  jet-setting lifestyle that is the provence of todays web design celebrity. Dare I say it, it was the weaker designers who seemed most offended.</p>
<p>Today, I witnessed in small part exactly what Brendan was irked by. Now, let me begin by saying that Mike Kus is one of my favourite web designers, but the keyword here is ‘Web’. Posting on Twitter, Mike made available a link to show off the new <a href="http://futureofwebdesign.com/speakers/abc">404 page</a> on the recently launched “future of web design” website. Quickly following this posting, I witnessed all the congratulatory comments for his nicely designed (if not one of his best, in my opinion) 404 page that he must have been pretty proud of.</p>
<p>But none of the comments seemed to take into account that, as pretty as it might be, it must first and foremost perform its function (the definition of ‘design’ after all). A 404 page’s function is to make the visitor aware that they’ve entered or followed an incorrect URL &#8211; they’ve attempted to view a section of the website that doesn’t exist. That’s it. To make the page more helpful, a web designer might include a link back to the main menu of the website. So, short and sweet &#8211; in/out. The load time for this kind of page should be milliseconds and it’s size needn’t be any greater than 2kb.</p>
<p>The 404 page offered up by Mike Kus and Carsonified to such adulation and fanfare weighed in at 600kb! Not only that, but the site rendered in its entirety on an iPhone, where over half a megabyte has serious implications for those fair-usage mobile internet users.</p>
<p>So, the comments coming from the ‘crowd’ should have indeed been congratulatory on the look of the page and its cute if utterly unnecessary animation &#8211; that’s fine, but they also should mention these fairly fundamental shortcomings (as I did). Curiously, Mike didn&#8217;t reply. Hmmm.</p>
<p><strong>The morale of this story:</strong></p>
<p>By all means, congratulate your peers or respected betters when you have opportunity, but remember what the web is for when you&#8217;re making that judgement. Always keep in mind the function and purpose of the page you are designing/critiquing and make sure it&#8217;s accessible to all of that group of web users that wish to access it. If you are going to give an opinion or a pat-on-the-back to someone for their efforts on a website, please try to be objective about the absolute success of the site before blindly pumping their ego. This way, we can all help to create a beautiful, accessible and functional web.</p>
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		<title>Apple&#8217;s iPad.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As beautiful as it looks, and I&#8217;m sure it feels lovely to use too, I have no interest in paying £400 for a  giant iPod Touch. The lack of background apps, no camera and a locked-down OS makes it fairly undesirable at that price. A lot of hype, a lot of expectation and in the end Apple [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As beautiful as it looks, and I&#8217;m sure it feels lovely to use too, I have no interest in paying £400 for a  giant iPod Touch. The lack of background apps, no camera and a locked-down OS makes it fairly undesirable at that price. A lot of hype, a lot of expectation and in the end Apple announced a remarkably uninspiring product.</p>
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		<title>Apple&#8217;s New Magic Mouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apples new Magic Mouse: Finally an Apple mouse that I want - and I REALLY want it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mighty mouse was a love-it-or-hate-it kinda mouse. I wasn&#8217;t too fussed on it myself, and have been using a Logitech trackball for the last few years to aid my RSI. But on Tuesday, something happened that might draw me back to a mouse&#8230; Apple released what looks to be a true Mighty Mouse (alas Apple lost the right to use that name and is now called Apple Mouse) in the form of a multi-touch, swipe scrollable, sexy looking <a href="http://www.apple.com/uk/magicmouse/">Magic Mouse</a>!</p>
<p><a href="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Screen-shot-2009-10-21-at-13.36.12.png"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-203" title="Screen shot 2009-10-21 at 13.36.12" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Screen-shot-2009-10-21-at-13.36.12-300x186.png" alt="Screen shot 2009-10-21 at 13.36.12" width="300" height="186" /></a></p>
<p>I want one, but I&#8217;m not going to be drawn in by the hype just yet &#8211; I&#8217;m gonna test one out&#8230;somewhere. Leeds doesn&#8217;t have an Apple Store, so whenever KRCS gets them in. They&#8217;d better hurry though!</p>
<p>UPDATE! Well, I did manage to have a play with Apple&#8217;s new Magic Mouse in both PCWorld and the Manchester&#8217;s Arndale Centre Apple store and&#8230; I don&#8217;t like it. Once again apple have proved that they really cannot make a good mouse. I found it ergonomically awkward and the whole thing moved when I swiped across it.</p>
<p>A lovely idea, but just the wrong size and shape to make it a usable mouse for me. Such a shame.</p>
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		<title>Why bother with web standards anyway?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this amusing. While I strive to adhere to web standards (as much is reasonably possible) I can&#8217;t help wondering why I bother when one of the most used websites on the web displays so many &#8216;errors&#8217; it&#8217;s comical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this amusing. While I strive to adhere to web standards (as much is reasonably possible) I can&#8217;t help wondering why I bother when one of the most used websites on the web displays so many &#8216;errors&#8217; it&#8217;s comical.</p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-199" href="http://shubox.net/?attachment_id=199"><img class="size-full wp-image-199" title="gmail errors" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Screen-shot-2009-10-07-at-15.54.36.png" alt="html errors for gmail" width="551" height="316" /></a></p>
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		<title>Google Chrome Frame</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve now had a chance to take a look at Google&#8217;s new Chrome Frame. The idea of &#8216;frame&#8216; is to allow IE6 and IE7 to render web pages accurately by loading them into a Google Chrome (Webkit) iframe. Had this been a seamless integration, then I would have though it a very good and very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve now had a chance to take a look at Google&#8217;s new <strong>Chrome Frame</strong>. The idea of &#8216;<em>frame</em>&#8216; is to allow <strong>IE6</strong> and <strong>IE7</strong> to render <em>web pages</em> accurately by loading them into a <strong>Google Chrome</strong> (Webkit) iframe. Had this been a seamless integration, then I would have though it a very good and very welcome development. However, in order to get google chrome frame to be active, firstly an end user using IE6 must download an installer and install a browser plugin. Secondly, a web developer must add a google chrome frame met tag to their HTML head.</p>
<p>Ok, many web developers might be prepared to revisit old sites and add in this meta tag and conceivably might not find it too much of a hardship adding it to current developments. Web designers and developer are after all, conscientious souls who would like to see the web &#8216;just work&#8217; for everyone, irrespective of browser.</p>
<p>The biggest flaw in Google&#8217;s master pan here is IE6 users. These are people who either don&#8217;t upgrade or install anything ever, or institutions, which have such a complex or large framework (like being stuck a win2000 server) that makes it impractical or too expensive to upgrade &#8211; and given that their system works just fine with IE6, their argument would be why upgrade?</p>
<p>If these institutions were to be so bothered about their staff using the web that they would use valuable resources to install this Chrome frame plugin, then they&#8217;d be as well to simply install Firefox and have a secure web browser that renders sites as they should be. An IE6 plugin can be installed in Firefox for intranet sites that require it and would make much better sense than adding a new plugin to an old un-secure browser when there&#8217;s a perfect opportunity to add a legacy plugin to a modern, secure one.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how Chrome Frame develops from here, but I found it perplexing that google would have devoted such resources to such a non-problem.</p>
<p>Further reading: <a href="http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/developers_guide.html">http://code.google.com/chrome/chromeframe/developers_guide.html</a> , <a href="http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/09/28/google-chrome-frame-technical-details/">http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/09/28/google-chrome-frame-technical-details/</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Further to my last post, I have done some digging and come up with an interesting post over at the Stack Overflow forums It&#8217;s interesting that there they&#8217;ve highlighted the problems that I&#8217;ve uncovered in that both Google Chrome and Firefox 3.* share this border rendering problem. The difference is that the post is concerned [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to my last post, I have done some digging and come up with an interesting post over at the <a title="Blurred edges in Firefox 3" href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/388492/firefox-blurs-an-image-when-scaled-through-css-or-inline-style">Stack Overflow forums</a> It&#8217;s interesting that there they&#8217;ve highlighted the problems that I&#8217;ve uncovered in that both Google Chrome and Firefox 3.* share this <strong>border rendering</strong> problem. The difference is that the post is concerned with the rendering problems of images and I&#8217;m having my problems with CSS borders. They must surely be related in someway?</p>
<p>The image below shows the problem a little better than my previous post I think.</p>
<div id="attachment_179" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 615px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-179" href="http://shubox.net/?attachment_id=179"><img class="size-full wp-image-179 " title="Blurred edges, Firefox" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/picture-31.png" alt="You can clearly see the blurring in firefox." width="605" height="434" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">You can clearly see the blurring in firefox.</p></div>
<p>It&#8217;s an odd problem, and one which I suppose doesn&#8217;t rear it&#8217;s head very often. In fact once I&#8217;ve converted these list items into links, it won’t be a problem for me either, because the border-top will be placed on the link and not the list item &#8211; thus solving the problem. But curious never the less.</p>
<p>Related posts: <a href="http://shubox.net/?p=153">The curious case of ‘bleeding’ CSS borders</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been happily creating a simple navigation system using Safari as my reference web browser. For this navigation, I&#8217;m using the CSS border property to add a border to the top and right of the navigational label. All seemed well until I checked my handy work in Firefox 3.5, where I noticed a border-bleed. You [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been happily creating a simple navigation system using <strong>Safari</strong> as my reference <strong>web browser. </strong>For this navigation,<strong> </strong>I&#8217;m using the CSS border property to add a border to the top and right of the navigational label. All seemed well until I checked my handy work in Firefox 3.5, where I noticed a <em>border-bleed</em>. You can see what I mean by this in the illustrations below.</p>
<div id="safari"><img class="size-full wp-image-156" title="CSS Border in Safari 4" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/safari.png" alt="Safari 4.0" width="139" height="64" /></p>
<p class="caption">Safari 4.0</p>
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<div id="firefox"><img class="size-full wp-image-155" title="CSS border in Firefox 3.5" src="http://shubox.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/firefox.png" alt="Firefox 3.5" width="122" height="73" /></p>
<p class="caption">FireFox 3.5</p>
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<p class="clear">This phenomenon is also evident on the Windows version of FF3.5.</p>
<p>IE8, Camino (effectively FF2) and Opera all display the borders &#8216;correctly&#8217; like Safari 4.0.</p>
<p>This is an irritation for me, and with Firefox fast becoming the second most widely used web browser, I hope it doesn&#8217;t begin to suffer from the same idiosyncrasies as the dreaded IE6! Of course, it might be that FF3.5 is the only browser that&#8217;s displaying the borders accurately &#8211; but somehow I doubt it. Further research is needed&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong><br />
After a little more experimentation, it appears that this phenomenon isn&#8217;t quite unique to Firefox 3.*. Using good old <a href="http://browsershots.org">browsershots.org</a> I tested my CSS is a huge variety of web browsers, including Konquerer and Seamonkey on <strong>Linux</strong>, Safari, Chrome, Opera, and <strong>Firefox</strong> on all platforms. Firefox 2.0 renders the border edges seamlessly, but in all FF browsers from FireFox 3.0 to Firefox 3.5.1 the bleed is evident. The only other browser to exhibit this <em>bleed</em> is <strong>Google Chrome</strong> &#8211; which is odd considering that it&#8217;s a <strong>Webkit</strong> browser akin to Safari.</p>
<p>In a further experiment, I tried re-ordering the border properties in the CSS file (placing the <em>border-right</em> rule after the <em>border-top</em> and vice-versa&#8217;), in case it was a curious cascade problem, but that made no difference. Next I used CSS&#8217;s specificity feature to leave no doubt as to <em>how</em> I wanted <em>what</em> to render. But still no change. Finally I removed the relative positioning I was using when I first noticed this problem&#8230; but that had no effect either (besides moving its position of course) and the <em>bleed</em> remained.</p>
<p>This effect may not be a bug at all, but merely a curiosity and is somewhat idiosyncratic of those two browsers. It&#8217;s certainly annoying, I know that!</p>
<p>Related posts: <a href="http://shubox.net/?p=178">Firefox and its Blurry edges.</a></p>
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